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Lost pub · Upperby

Rose & Crown

1930 to 2013

Built
22 December 1930, by Harry Redfern. The date is carved over the door
Gone
Closed 2011; demolished 2013
There now
Gone
Where exactly
Placed from the Ordnance Survey grid reference, NY4090153792, in Historic England's gazetteer of the scheme's premises. The building has since been demolished.

The only one of Harry Redfern's new-build pubs that has been demolished. He put it up in 1930, opening on 22 December, on a plan close to the one he had just used at the Coach & Horses, with a bowling green behind it like most of his suburban houses. It took over from the Black Bull, which closed when it opened. The Brewery History Society's copy of the scheme's 1920 roll lists a Rose & Crown at Upperby as well, but the village had no pub of that name before Redfern's: every directory from 1847 to 1914 has only the Black Bull and the Cross Keys there.

The scheme's annual report for 1931 describes it new: steep tiled roofs, whitewashed brick walls with bright green doors and shutters, and a public bar, smoking room and tea room, the tea room with its own entrance onto a loggia. The loggia opened onto a formal garden with the bowling green beyond, and inside were Delft tiles like those still at the Spinners Arms. Its sign was shown at the Inn Signs Exhibition at the Building Centre in London in 1936, alongside a dozen of Ernest Dinkel's, and Tullie House keeps a Rose and Crown sign from the scheme that is very likely this one's.

The scheme sold it to John Smith's on 8 May 1973. It reopened under new management, T and G Smith, in March 2008, though one record has it closed from 1 December 2008 to March 2009, and it closed for good in 2011; the demolition was announced in January 2013 and carried out soon after. A survey of every Redfern pub notes that this is the only one of his new-build houses to have been lost outright: the rest are all still standing, whether as pubs, restaurants, flats or a martial arts centre.

Sold as the Rose and Crown to John Smith's as part of Group 3, handed over on 8 May 1973. Who bought the rest

Photograph

Ordnance Survey map of Upperby Road at the corner of Embleton Road, with a red circle round the building marked P.H. and a dotted square of ground behind it, labelled Redfern's Rose & Crown
Redfern's Rose & Crown, marked P.H. on Upperby Road at the corner of Embleton Road, on the Ordnance Survey 25-inch map revised in 1938. The dotted square behind it is very probably the bowling green National Library of Scotland, CC BY 4.0

Sources 10

Open question

A date we can't pin down

The Rose & Crown at Upperby is said to have reopened under new management in March 2008, but another record has it shut from 1 December 2008 to March 2009 before its final closure in 2011. Which is right?

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